Bailing out Detroit

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If GM is blowing through $2B per month, and they have enough cash to last until the end of the year,then the $10B they're asking for will take them through until...May 2009? Come on. That's a joke. I agree with you; I'm not upset that the Republicans are blocking the auto industry bailout. In fact, I actually wrote a letter to my representative, Speaker Pelosi, asking her not to push this auto bailout through because a) the auto industry is arrogant and has made tremendously bad decisions, design-wise and business-wise b) the executives and top union leaders are not going to suffer, the workers are, regardless of bankruptcy or bailout c) money should be directed towards job training, re-education, local initiatives to create jobs in greening our crumbling infrastructure. Just my opinion, but I think there's a growing movement in this direction.
One more thing: you wrote of nationalizing health care, which I think is likely to happen, sometime in the next 10 years. There's a pressing problem, however, according to a Reuters story based on a survey of doctors, in that there may not be enough primary care physicians after the current spate of doctors retires. So we could have nationalized health care composed of a bunch of specialists. There has to be some way of incentivizing doctors to become generalists included in a new health care proposal.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4AH1CE20081118

Well, it is pretty clear that the money it will take to bail out Detroit is going to be huge. However, not doing it is also going to going to have astronomical costs. Re-training? Puh-lease. What are these guys going to do? There is no industry left. What are they going to train for? Especially with the economy where it is, there are not going to be any jobs for these people. Then you add to that the costs of the entire tax base of the Great Lakes states evaporating in a haze of joblessness, plant and supplier closures, and housing bubble destruction... well, it just seems to me that it will cost less to keep these guys alive long enough to wait and see. Heck, even throwing them enough to keep going for another year or two will likely cost less in the short term than watching them implode.

I'm not saying that the executives of the big three are not total idiots. They, and they alone, are responsible for the disaster they find themselves in. However, a lot of innocent people are going to pay for their mistakes. Just as I think that government should help out in natural disasters, like Katrina, I think the government needs to step in when foreseeable man-made disasters show up. This is a massive man-made disaster for a lot of real people. They will lose their jobs, and people who have already retired will lose their pensions and health benefits. Why should we watch silently while these people become paupers?

No, we should force Detroit to at least TRY to save itself. Will the Volt save GM? Maybe. We'll never know if we don't let them try. Kill the gas guzzlers and throw a bunch of money at the engineers to leap frog to the next technology. I have a feeling it will pay dividends.

Oh, and one thing that Obama should insist upon should be that the CEO of GM, who insists that global warming doesn't exist, should be fired immediately. Any other executive who shares that view should be shown the door. The only thing that will save Detroit is forcing them to do what they don't want to do, create the next paradigm of their business model...

We're looking at huge problems in this country. With Bush and his ilk, we've been playing "kick the can down the road" for a decade. Health care is the big monster that is already devouring our budget. In another ten years, if things stay the same, we're going to be paying something like half of the Federal budget for health costs. This is not sustainable.

Now, there may be a shortage of GP doctors. Sure. However, specialists are still doctors. They went into a specialty because it held the promise of making them rich, while at the same time avoiding the grind of seeing tons of patients a day just to make ends meet. If we're creating a new health care system, there is no reason why we can't address that distorting incentive. Right now, we pay for services. In other countries they pay for health care outcomes. Shifting the pay structure can incentivize those specialists to go into general practice.

I'm not saying this will be easy. There are huge intrenched interests who benefit hugely from the status quo. What I am saying is that the status quo will bankrupt us in the medium term. I am very sure that Obama will tackle this in the next year or two. He may not come up with the single payer system that I prefer, but from what I read, he's moving away from the current horrible system.

I'm exasperated because I just wrote a long reply and then navigated away by accident without saving. Doh! Anyway, what I was trying too say is that you and I agree that the workers (and potentially retirees) are the ones who are going to suffer the most. I wouldn't scoff at re-education and training -- the US auto industry was the vanguard of the global auto industry for decades, why can't it be the vanguard of the greening of the US infrastructure? Instead of spending billions to prop up companies that just might fail anyway, because they sure don't seem to learn from their mistakes, spend billions on supporting the people in the regions by providing them with public works projects aimed at replacing our crumbling infrastructure with green technology? You never know.

And health care is the biggest cost for all companies in this country. We need universal health care soon. Now. That's a public policy issue that affects everyone, not just the auto makers.

I read someone's pension blog after doing a search on GM and pensions, and supposedly GM has overfunded their pension system, yet the Pension Benefits Guaranty Corp is still worried that it's not on solid ground, primarily because they were over-invested in hedge funds and REITs. Their investment target is primarily bonds, but I don't know when they switched their target to this. So they've probably lost a ton of money recently. Here's the link to that blog post; it's a long but interesting one. http://pensionpulse.blogspot.com/2008/11/whats-good-for-gms-pension-fund.html

And finally, you may be right about propping up the auto industry for a year or two and then they may fail anyway. I have heard from various "experts" on the radio or otherwise that if the US auto industry fails now, while the economy is on the skids and looking worse each day, it could be a total catastrophe for the US economy. If we give $50B to the auto industry and they still blow it in a year or two, it may have less of an impact on the US economy because hopefully they economy will be out of the woods and on the rise. The problem with this is that the auto workers and retirees will still be the ones who suffer. It's just putting off the pain. Hard choices, here.


P.S. Sorry for all of the typos. Wrote too much, didn't edit.

I'm sure we'd have a great conversation about this over a beer... perhaps we should plan an evening with Janelle and Brian one of these weeks...

Yes, definitely. Maybe sometime in early December? We have more clothes to give to your boy, too.

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